Can a state effectively ban the imperial federal government from imposing penalties arising from the Obamacare mandate?
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Missouri Prop C
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 MarginallyInvolved |
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08/04/10 1:43 PM |
I'm Not A Stalker; I'm Just Curious
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Roofa Mitsu Faraferu |
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08/04/10 4:41 PM |
The short answer is no. A state can't override a federal law.
Essentially this was grandstanding since the authors of the bill knew there was going to be a heavy GOP turnout. All just to say this was a rebuke of Obamacare. Weak sauce. |
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MarginallyInvolved |
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08/04/10 4:57 PM |
I think it will be interesting to see how this plays out.
I fear you may be right, though. My generation may very well be the last to live in a free republic
I'm Not A Stalker; I'm Just Curious
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Roofa Mitsu Faraferu |
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08/04/10 9:28 PM |
BTW...do you happen to know the penalty for not complying with Obamacare mandates?
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The PD |
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08/05/10 7:02 AM |
There is no way for it to "play out". A federal law trumps a state law.
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Standard American |
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08/05/10 7:26 AM |
My generation may very well be the last to live in a free republic Really? You consider affordable health care that much of an assault on liberty? (Not that that's what we got) Where would you rate it on a scale of 1-10, with 10 being martial law and the suspension of the Bill of Rights? Then where would you rate: The Federal gov't prohibiting people from marrying the person of their own choosing. The Citizens United ruling. Do you see it as a positive or negative for freedom? The ACLU -- defenders of liberty, or oppressors determined to destroy the foundation of this Christian nation? ETA: I think the "Obamacare" bill, as you call it, was a crappy excuse for "universal" health care, and the mandates to buy crappy insurance from the same old skimmers is probably the crappiest part of it -- but I don't think there are many citizens of any other industrialized nation that would want to adopt American-style profits-before-people medicine. Even after "Obama(s)care."
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MarginallyInvolved |
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08/05/10 11:14 AM |
Really? You consider affordable health care that much of an assault on liberty? (Not that that's what we got)I bolded the part that shows me you're asking a question you already know the answer to. As for rating it, on it's own maybe a 3, as the penalties for ignoring this disaster are far less than the costs of complying with it. It is a huge step towards a 10 however, as it shows Congress that the constitution and the will of the people can be ignored Then where would you rate:Can't really rate the rest, but I do have opinions you may be sorry you asked for...  The Federal gov't prohibiting people from marrying the person of their own choosing. I assume you're talking about Ca's prop8 and the rest of the "ban gay marriage" legislation? Personally, I think the federal government should stay the hell out of it. I see no reason homosexuals should not be allowed to be as miserable as the rest of us The Citizens United ruling. Do you see it as a positive or negative for freedom?Not sure what you are asking here. I think SCOTUS made the correct decision as far as the how this applies to the First Amendment. Other than that, don't much care. I don't make any decisions based on what I see in the media. They have proven (at least to me) they are incapable of unbiased dissemination of information. I do my own research, and then do whatever my rice krispies tells me to The ACLU -- defenders of liberty, or oppressors determined to destroy the foundation of this Christian nation?defenders of liberty? Hardly. Those capable of accepting cold hard facts know that all men are not created equal. However, this inequality has nothing to do with race. Attempting to legislate equality of outcomes based on race solves nothing, just creates an additional issue that need never have existed in the first place. ETA: I think the "Obamacare" bill, as you call it, was a crappy excuse for "universal" health care, and the mandates to buy crappy insurance from the same old skimmers is probably the crappiest part of it -- but I don't think there are many citizens of any other industrialized nation that would want to adopt American-style profits-before-people medicine. Even after "Obama(s)care."I regard the first part of this statement as true, as most of the rest of it as lefist rhetoric, unsubstantiated as it is by any sort of facts or logic. "Universal" health care is a fairy tale, and a euphemism for socialized medicine. You may now commence with the traditional gathering of the pitchforks and lighting of the torches
I'm Not A Stalker; I'm Just Curious
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Standard American |
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08/05/10 12:48 PM |
Glad you're back and (sort of) responded. Too busy trying to make a dollar to respond now, but I think we're just going to have a wonderful time.
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Standard American |
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08/05/10 7:54 PM |
MI wrote: (a) Honestly, I don't know the answer (b) what's unconstitutional about it, and (c) since one of Obama's most prominent campaign promises was healthcare, and he was legally elected -- how can you honestly claim the will of the people was ignored? Regardless, is it fair to say you just see the recent health care legislation as a slippery slope to .. Big Brother mandated niceness? Or what? Can't really rate the rest, but I do have opinions you may be sorry you asked for... Go to town, man. I live in Oklahoma so I doubt you can say anything crazier than I hear on a regular basis. Besides, if I get too scared I'll just turn the box off and go to bed. I assume you're talking about Ca's prop8 and the rest of the "ban gay marriage" legislation? Personally, I think the federal government should stay the hell out of it. I see no reason homosexuals should not be allowed to be as miserable as the rest of us Great. At least on this issue you're marching in lockstep with us libs. But isn't this a "state's rights" issue (in this case). You do support state's rights, don't you? The feds have nothing to do with Prop 8. Not sure what you are asking here. I think SCOTUS made the correct decision as far as the how this applies to the First Amendment. So you interpret the constitution as giving (possibly foreign-owned) corporations the same "free speech rights" as you or I was something the founders wanted to protect? Other than that, don't much care. I don't make any decisions based on what I see in the media. They have proven (at least to me) they are incapable of unbiased dissemination of information. I do my own research, and then do whatever my rice krispies tells me to I guess that's fine for you, but in a "majority-rule" country aren't you concerned that people who lack your political acumen, critical thinking skills, and refined taste in breakfast cereal might possibly be deceived by a clever propagandist? [The ACLU] defenders of liberty? Hardly. Those capable of accepting cold hard facts know that all men are not created equal. However, this inequality has nothing to do with race. Attempting to legislate equality of outcomes based on race solves nothing, just creates an additional issue that need never have existed in the first place. I have no idea what you're talking about now. Can you cite some specific case where the ACLU .. did whatever the hell you're talking about here? I'm about as liberal an ACLU member as you'll ever meet, and even I don't believe everyone has equal abilities, or that we will all "share the land" or whatever it is you think we think. I regard the first part of this statement as true, as most of the rest of it as lefist rhetoric, unsubstantiated as it is by any sort of facts or logic. "Universal" health care is a fairy tale, and a euphemism for socialized medicine. Now you're just being a dick. Please point me to anything you have "substantiated by any sort of facts or logic. " What would you have me do? Pay Canadians to come to you're house and testify? You may now commence with the traditional gathering of the pitchforks and lighting of the torches Why are you cons always so paranoid? How about some nice bundt cake instead?
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MarginallyInvolved |
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08/05/10 9:18 PM |
Roofa Mitsu Faraferu wrote: I've read it somewhere, but off the top of my head, no
I'm Not A Stalker; I'm Just Curious
p.s. BTW, you're out of milk |
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MarginallyInvolved |
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08/05/10 9:24 PM |
SA,
I don't have time to get into depth with your post right now, but I will come back to it. (it's all part of being a dick. We're just that way) I got the info I need for my next build, and will be spending most of the night putting ducks in a row. Millions on welfare and in need of healthcare are depending on me.
I'm Not A Stalker; I'm Just Curious
p.s. BTW, you're out of milk |
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Standard American |
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08/06/10 4:41 AM |
No worries. I don't have a lot of time for this foolishness, either.
Millions on welfare and in need of healthcare are depending on me. America thanks you for your service. |
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08/06/10 7:02 AM |
oh oh.
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aztcc |
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08/06/10 7:54 AM |
Seriously deliberating here. Can't honestly decide whether SA's first impulse would be to grab the torch and pitchfork or bake a bundt cake. Having me him in person I'd have to say it's a toss up.
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Dreamy5 |
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08/06/10 7:56 AM |
Bundt cake.
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08/06/10 9:39 PM |
Standard American wrote:Obamacare has exactly zero to do with healthcare. Affordable or otherwise.
I'm Not A Stalker; I'm Just Curious
p.s. BTW, you're out of milk |
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Dreamy5 |
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08/06/10 10:13 PM |
Then what does it relate to?
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08/07/10 11:30 AM |
Another step in the government's takeover of the private sector. And a huge step towards the liberal dream of a centrally planned economy. A means to make a larger segment of US citizens dependent upon goverment largesse just to get by.
I'm Not A Stalker; I'm Just Curious
p.s. BTW, you're out of milk |
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Standard American |
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08/08/10 10:08 AM |
MarginallyInvolved wrote: edited for reality -- SA |
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Dreamy5 |
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08/08/10 11:34 AM |
I don't see what logic leads to that conclusion. It sounds more like the results of far right fear mongering (not saying you're a fear-monger; just saying you've been influenced by it).
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MarginallyInvolved |
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08/08/10 1:47 PM |
Sorry, Dreamy
If folks want to quote me and then try to rip me a new one, I'm all for that. But, to change my change my words and yet still attribute it as a quote from me? Sorry, don't play that game. It's both disingenuous and pretty fucking rude. Thanks for inviting me, though
I'm Not A Stalker; I'm Just Curious
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